The Balanced Life: How can we achieve it?
As we go on the quest for balance in life, we will experience many things. Achieving a balanced life isn't a straight path. As we look for stability, we come to understand that balance doesn't equate to everything being in perfect coordination. Things shift and every moment we experience is different, but the balance can be found as we continue to deal with stuff in our own ways. In this podcast episode, Daniele Bolleli shares with us the habits he practices and his thoughts about a balanced life.
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The Balanced Life: How can we achieve it?
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Daniele Bolleli
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[00:00:00] Hey,
[00:00:05] Host: thank you for tuning into the latest episode of the today. Dream a podcast. Here we work on cultivating the practice of presence through interacting in conversational space so that we may more fully participate in the blossoming of the emergent world story together. Today's guest is Danieli Bolelli.
[00:00:25] I'll tell you a little bit about him. He is a writer, a martial artist, a university professor, and an amazing podcaster. He was born in Italy and currently lives in LA and Danieli is a very special human. Soon as I kind of came in contact with his work, both through his podcast and his appearance on other podcasts, I felt instantly called to reach out and yeah, especially after.
[00:00:57] The passion or the energetic kind of substance that came through in what he was sharing around Taoism and around history. So, yeah. So I just thought, you know, who better to have a conversation around the practice of presence and see what kind of nuggets of wisdom he would be open or willing to share.
[00:01:17] And I was quite surprised because there were quite a few and they were very beautiful and I'm still kind of working through a lot of what he's taught me through this conversation. So I really I'm putting it out there. This is a very special one for me, and I hope you get a lot out of it as well. If you're someone that's interested in working one-on-one with me and you, you know, you'd like a spiritual friend on a passage of change or transformation in your life.
[00:01:46] I put together a bit of a structured plan, um, and I'm taking on interactions with. Moving forward. So head over to today, dream.com. There'll be more information about that if you're at all interested. And if you're enjoying the show, please let me know in some way, whether it's through a comment through a review, which would be really nice or, um, you know, just send me an email.
[00:02:09] I'd love to hear from you. Here's the chat with Danieli and I guess before we begin, we better take a quick breath together, a quick, slow breath. We'll take it. We'll take a breath now in order to pause from whatever's going on in our day. So I'm going to invite you to gently close your eyes and as slow as you possibly can take a nice the inhalation in through the nose, pausing at the crescendo, noticing any subtleties of your experience before releasing justice gracefully on the way out.
[00:02:49] So let's do that together.
[00:03:22] thank you for your presence. And he's out chat with Denny Ellie.
[00:03:33] So when I, when I first came across your chat with or break Danieli, I noticed this almost like your voice laid up when you were talking about IQ and that kind of drew my attention initially. I was like, well, there's something more here and I want to look into this a bit deeper. Uh, so yeah, I just kind of, I've been slowly absorbing bits of information about EQs life and, um, yeah, like I mentioned, I went through and listened to that, that those couple of episodes that you did on, on the history of IQ and it's, it was quite fascinating.
[00:04:13] And I've got like, yeah, so many questions around that, but I thought it might be like a nice launching pad into our conversation. I just wanted to see what you thought about that and yeah. How that feels for you. Yeah.
[00:04:25] Guest: I mean, he's easily one of my favorite historical car up there server, cause he's just so fun, you know?
[00:04:33] So my joke, the people you're having history some time, you know, most of the people who make the history books are there for some violent reason or. There's most of history deserted the history of warfare, primarily what makes it in the history books. So to get somebody was just a, just an awesome human being.
[00:04:51] Absolutely. Larios clearly strong. Stan says, but ultimately powerful approach on how to just enjoy life. You know, people around him seem to modelize unanimous unanimously, be at a great time around them. Uh, he had a great team packed call 30. He had a great life. He had great love stories. He's just a phenomenal guy.
[00:05:14] Leave the primarily, I mean, he lived at the very end of the thirty nine thirty was born and then he lived through a good part of the 14 hundreds. And I'm just such a thrifty guy, you know? Cause he's, uh, He became a Zen monk, not by choice. Really. It's kind of like where he was dropped by a smarmy in a monastery when he was little.
[00:05:35] And then, uh, he precisely because he liked Zen, he was kind of clashing with design establishment because he failed that does an establishment and become a bureaucracy by that point. And, uh, and, and soy cure was not quite fitting in, in that mold at the same time. He was attracting a whole lot of people who were very intrigued with this brand of Zen and the just love being around them.
[00:06:02] Host: Yeah. Do you find, when you do research on these kind of historical figures that there's like a distillation process of, of wisdom, uh, you're able to absorb through the lessons of their lives and have you yeah. Have you found that through the case with the acute?
[00:06:19] Guest: Yeah, I think with the is kind of like, he's such a creepy guy and he's just sold.
[00:06:25] Uh, like he really reminds me of some sort of Zen version of bugs, Bonnie, you know, he's just, so he has a trickster energy. He has these very fun. The flamboyant, like originally the way I discovered it was through, I don't know if you're familiar with the writer, Tommy Robbins,
[00:06:45] Host: since you've mentioned him.
[00:06:46] Yeah.
[00:06:47] Guest: He wrote the still life, which would backer. He hero even Calgary had the blues, he wrote a bunch of novels that are absolutely he's. One of the best writers I've ever read. His style is just fantastic. And, you know, I love his writing. I've always been in three grids. So when he was telling me about design among quizzes, absolute tidal, and I'm like, wait, he's stone sidle have never heard of him.
[00:07:12] I dig Zan. How is that even possible? And then I started doing more research later. I'm like, oh my God, this is like one of the stories that he looks made up because it looks almost too perfect. It looks like a Tony Robbins character more than a real person. And, um, so it was a very pleasant surprise. Yeah.
[00:07:31] Host: Yeah. Cause since I mentioned you, uh, since you mentioned that you might Tom Robbins and I was kind of doing a bit of preparation for this chat, I had a little. And interview that he gave back in, I think 2012, and he mentioned his life and I could even draw similarities between his own life. And he accused, which was pretty interesting.
[00:07:50] Yeah.
[00:07:51] Guest: Funny guy, because he's such a master of the written word. She's just so good at it that he doesn't really like doing interviews. Well, now he's also really old. He's like late eighties or something, but like, he doesn't really like doing interviews because he feels that his spoken word doesn't stand up to his written word and which, you know, he's still a good speaker, so I don't get it.
[00:08:15] But in any case, that's his thing. So have you done
[00:08:17] Host: much writing yourself?
[00:08:19] Guest: Yeah. I love writing is, uh, you know, I wrote four books. I would like to do a lot more so it's um, uh, yeah, Tommy's an absolute God. Do
[00:08:33] Host: you think the written word does translate into words though into, sorry, speaking.
[00:08:38] Guest: No, I mean, it's a different gig, especially the way Tom writes is so flowery and flamboyant.
[00:08:43] Like every word is a work of fire, right? Yeah. It's bad. And there's some time, a day on a sentence kind of thing. He just, and so it's not really, it doesn't really lead well to translate it into spoken word because it's so spoken to water. This bars platanos is more flow. You throw some stuff that doesn't quite click, but you make it work anyway and you eat, there's a more of a flow tweet and you just incorporate the mistakes along the way.
[00:09:09] Whereas he's thing you in the written word is everything feeds perfectly from beginning to end.
[00:09:16] Host: Yeah. I'll have to open up one of his books for sure. It sounds very intriguing. I, um, I believe that in some way though, like just the act of writing depends what you're writing of course, and how you're writing it.
[00:09:29] But I think just, um, the act of writing itself. Me anyways, in my experience, like develop a way of thinking a different way of thinking or understand maybe the way that I work a little bit on a deeper level. Um, yeah. And I, and I find that fascinating, like a fascinating process to kind of explore and even the types of writing seem to kind of shift the way, uh, kind of like the angles of the mind, I guess.
[00:09:56] Guest: Yeah.
[00:09:58] Host: Yeah. So yeah, I read through, um, a bunch of accused poems and, um, they seem like there's, there's also a beauty within them as well, you know, and there's almost a real, um, in some cases like a sense of simplicity, I feel, um, with what he shares a lot to be kind of chewed on. Yeah.
[00:10:22] Guest: I mean, I think like a lot of his things, one of his big themes is.
[00:10:29] Kind of going against that tradition that separated the sacred from the profane, the idea that while it is like a meditating in clouds of incense in a monastery somewhere, and it's like, yeah, it's that tool, but it's also playing with kids. It's also, you know, it's also like his idea is that all of day to day life is spiritual.
[00:10:53] If you've gone through, like, what does it even mean spirit, right. In that sense is it's kind of like going in with full awareness, going in with a certain degree of presence that gives a next text or to everything you do say experience. So that's like he's be gone. Uh, he goes against the law, the sort of artificial nature of a lot of organized religion and organized spiritual.
[00:11:22] In favor of one, that's very playful in favor of one. That's very earthy. That's very tied to the year and now kind of thing.
[00:11:30] Host: Yeah. Yeah. There's something that really struck me about what I read as well as this idea of the magic and within the ordinary and how it's almost like doesn't really matter what you do.
[00:11:43] It's how you approach what you're doing. And, and it's kind of like, like you mentioned, with presence and love and kind of awareness moving into things or through things seems to be a very, you know, you can have, uh, you can do it in two very different ways and the way in which you do it, almost like it represents something.
[00:12:04] Guest: Yeah. Yeah, you bet he much does that. And, uh, and that's definitely one of the things that I appreciate about it because it's, uh, it keeps you alive to keep seeing reality, keeps it more relevant to life rather than being like some, we are not before the separate dimension from day to day life.
[00:12:23] Host: Yeah. But the strange thing that struck me, I was in thinking about how the lessons of IQ can be kind of relevant in today's modern context, because, you know, he did, um, he was in a different time and it was a lot more, uh, I mean, there's, I, I wouldn't even try to begin to describe it, but it seems very different from today's world.
[00:12:45] And there seems to be, you know, almost like a calling for this is just obviously my perspective, but in a sense, a little bit more restraint in some way. And a little bit more presence in others, um, in order to move into things with that conscious kind of in that conscious flow. So, yeah, I was just wondering if you, if you had any thoughts on how maybe, um, any other kind of specifics of his life or anything that you might notice that, you know, maybe someone could apply in today's context?
[00:13:20] It's an interesting thought. Yeah. I
[00:13:22] Guest: think like, uh, in some way I don't necessarily see that site article or context, you know, I think it's in a lot of ways, it's just an attitude that transcended the specific historical timeframe that he lived in, because so much of the stuff that you say, stuff that you could say outside of, you know, Japan in the 14 hundreds is stuff that would apply to you just live on certain principles that are out for something.
[00:13:56] So specifically bound at what time in the place.
[00:14:01] Host: Yeah, that makes total sense. I was just kind of thinking in the way, how some things might be maybe misunderstood in today's world. Maybe even they were back then, to be honest, but like this idea of, um, you know, go sleeping in brothels and, and drinking in wine stores and, you know, just what came to mind was maybe that, I dunno, like Mike Grant people permission to do that in a way that wasn't so conscious and, um, in the way that maybe ECU did you know what I mean?
[00:14:32] Um,
[00:14:33] Guest: for sure. Any fact, that's, what's funny, that's so many people who can a pattern, some of the same kind of lines. They often do it in a very self-serving way that somehow leads to them getting what they want and screw in a bunch of other people over. Whereas that's pretty much never what you got with GQ.
[00:14:52] Like you've never your stories about team being these like semi called leader or somebody who's just doing it. So I think that's a, and I think that's also a big throat right there that what you do save a, for some extreme cases where the content of what you do better mean the quality of it all. But what you do is almost secondary.
[00:15:14] Like it's so much more important, uh, how you do it, like who the person is behind it, the attitude that they bring to it, the energy they bring to it, which is also the same reason why you could get two different people that do the exact same thing. And you'll agree in which one and disagree with the other.
[00:15:33] Not because the message is any different, but because everything that's behind, every one of those words is different. You know, there's a live experience that then translate to something else. The words may sound the same. But the essence behind that is not the attitude, the, where they are leading. It's not.
[00:15:53] And I think that's, uh, that's extremely true. You know, I've had plenty of times when I see people who theoretically, I should get along with perfectly. Cause we check all the same boxes of this stuff we like, and I'm like, Nope, not flaking. And then there are people that you shouldn't get along with theoretically, that is like perfectly, all that other stuff is secondary.
[00:16:16] It's not that big of a deal.
[00:16:18] Host: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Have you, are there any, I'm just trying to think, like basic kind of interesting, um, places to dance around. I'm not sure if there's anything practical, people can take away from that though, because it's like, you know, it's cultivating the way in which you go about things it's like, that can, there's so many influences in that, in that, uh, recipe, you know, But it's, it's an interesting thing at least to kind of bring to mind and sit with.
[00:16:48] I feel,
[00:16:50] Guest: I think like so many people are attached to ideas, uh, overly attached to ideas in some cases where it's about, uh, you know, what political stance are you taking, which already John box are you from belong to reach, you know, that kind of thing. And I'm like, that's like the least interesting thing about anybody.
[00:17:11] You know, he's like that doesn't necessarily tell me a whole lot, unless this person is almost willingly involving the stereotype of what it means to be that one. Most of the time, the opinions are surface level. You know, they are, which is why also social media discussions are terrible because most of the time they are purely about opinions.
[00:17:30] There's none of the other communication that's going on. There's not over the body language. There is no tool that there's no energy. There's less of the humor doesn't translate as well. You know, you are, when you communicate are fast in way more than just concepts. Uh, the words are almost an excuse to have an exchange of energy, you know, and I feel that, um, overly focusing on concepts is, um, sometime leads us to an LT places.
[00:18:01] How
[00:18:01] Host: do you think that exchange of energy takes place when you're looking up a historical kind of figure, or you're doing research on someone, can you still feel that.
[00:18:10] Guest: Well, I mean, it's different because you are going inevitably, you are going through a book, you are going through rate words. You are going through scenes that are known, you know, who knows what you are getting there.
[00:18:24] Are you getting the actual person? Are you getting your own imagination or that's third by no, I'm talking more about impersonal communication. I'm talking more about, you know, people that you can, uh, people that you can interact with. Um,
[00:18:39] Host: I'm just finding it. What come what's coming up for me is this idea of like, just thinking about that what's formed from the vibe of that historical figure.
[00:18:47] And no matter how dry it might be from the book, it's almost like there's something that's formed within you through that relationship. And then even when you're talking with people, I'm sure that happens as well. Like you're developing something within you through that relating process and you're able to kind of, yeah.
[00:19:08] Yeah, it's an interesting kind of thing. Some of you haven't really thought about
[00:19:13] Guest: for sure, for sure. And I think that's, what's, uh, that's an important one. I think we often forget that sides and we are, I mean, it's the same thing. Why people are like, you know, if you meet somebody for the first time and you immediately go yes or no, and somebody would be like, oh, that's so judgmental that Laura is so preconceive.
[00:19:32] How can you say you haven't really got to know the person is that yay. Get to know is only going to inform me of why I feel that way too. I gained weight. You know what I mean? He's always going to be, give me the actualities on SWI, but the conclusion we already got it before we start that you feel that tells you already, if you have decent intuition, some people have crappy intuition and so they don't have that voice there.
[00:19:58] So it's
[00:20:00] Host: interesting. Yeah. It's kind of like that happens in many ways. I feel like the body tells us information before it can kind of register and click in the mind. And it's like, sometimes we're not as in tune to be able to listen to that information or to hear it even, you know, there's too much other noise going
[00:20:19] Guest: on, which is kind of pathetic when you think about it.
[00:20:22] Cause think, you know, uh,
[00:20:27] about the size of a peanut can smell somebody and within 10 seconds decide whether they want to growl at them or just hop on them and be all happy. So really we're not talking some magical ability there. We're talking about something that anybody whose consciousness is not so squashed by irrational thoughts can tap into it is not, you know, stranger psychic.
[00:20:54] Come on it's there it's the white is now out as one person sees it is how do you not see it? It's right there, the field. And so I think is sometime we just spend a, is as valid as the rationalities, as a tool and dizzy important as the reason is I think sometimes we overdo it and we forget that just one modality, but there are others that are just as valuable.
[00:21:20] Hmm.
[00:21:21] Host: Yeah. It's interesting. Making choices from that different place is something that I've kind of explored quite a bit, this idea of, um, but it's, it's not really, it doesn't, it feels like, uh, in the initial stages of moving into or practicing doing that, it's quite difficult. It's a big challenge
[00:21:39] Guest: because, you know, again, if you're not.
[00:21:41] Maybe you are projecting too much, maybe it's your own, whatever else, you know, maybe. And that's why it's at, but also it's kind of to learn out, to develop a decent intuition where, where we are, that message loud and clear. You can say, Nope, this is sometimes you don't feel anything and that's fine. And so then overdoing it and try to see where you don't is, uh, would be a mistake because it's not coming through clear.
[00:22:08] It does come through clear and you're like, okay, that's you know, why would I ignore it? It's pretty loud. The statement that I'm hearing here in my consciousness. So why not? Why not honor it.
[00:22:24] Host: Yeah. Do you, do you get defined, you have that feeling in the middle of like a martial arts, um, competition or a, uh, some kind of sparring?
[00:22:34] No,
[00:22:35] Guest: I think it's a S uh, I mean, that's probably the least likely scenario because you're so wrapped up into actual, into events, into seeing siphoning at tremendous speed with adrenaline pumping where that's probably, you are a little less in tune with that kind of stuff, but like just in day-to-day life, you know, you walk into a room and you meet a few people and you, well, 10 seconds have gone by and you're like, I want to talk to this person and I don't want to talk to this too, you know?
[00:23:06] Yeah,
[00:23:08] Host: yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. So it's probably the polar opposite than the martial arts example.
[00:23:16] Guest: Yeah. I think it's easier to have in day to day life, you know, I mean, when is that usually. Intuition is dependent on your ability to perceive stuff. When is the you perceive stuff? The best is when you are relaxed.
[00:23:31] So in situation where you are more at peace, like you are receptive to whatever, you're not because otherwise the half of the time you are projecting your own. If there's an emotion that's driving, you tremendously, you probably don't see crap of what's around you because they are so driven even by these internal forest that you don't see reality for what it is, which is why.
[00:23:52] For example, people usually have even people who have pretty decent intuition, that intuition goes to crap when they need something real bad when they want something real bad in a context, because suddenly now they are not looking through the lens itself. Just whatever comes to you, but you are looking through the lens of self, your needs and wants that are completely messing up.
[00:24:16] Whatever Reed you have on the situation
[00:24:20] Host: that kind of flows back into. Thank you, his life in a sense as well, this idea of allowing nature to unfold as it may. I'm not really sure that the exact quotes you gave, but it's, that's the, what I took out of it besides the earth kind of, and that also flows into, into Dow and Taoism.
[00:24:37] And, you know, that was kind of another drawing for how I wanted to have this chat. I wanted it to go a bit deeper into that space with you and see what came up. I've been fascinated by, um, the ying yang symbol. And I've seen that across your kind of, I think so you're wearing a tee shirt that seems to be quite a big kind of connection there within your life and lessons and experiences through that.
[00:24:59] And I was wondering maybe we could kind of shift into gears a little bit and, and change direction. What do you think?
[00:25:06] Guest: I mean, to me, they that's particular same boat, which is at the core of the always thinking and philosophy. It's really something that's more than just that. I always think that to me, Sort of the essence of life.
[00:25:21] There's so much there. It explains so much of the way, the word words. And the interesting thing is that unlike other things that may be more conceptual in Yankees, you may have never heard of that reason. You've may have never seen the union see both. And you may still have a perfect understanding of what you are talking about just because you have paid attention to the rest of life.
[00:25:43] So it's a, it's something that we like that idea that there's, everything is made of a duality, but unlike the Western sense of duality, that tends to be very judgmental where there's like and evident how that kind of stuff in yang is like, it's an army. It's a, it's like all things called is one good and one bad.
[00:26:05] Well, in excess, both of them are. And then the right mix, both of them are good. It's more, a matter of balance than it is of, and the balance is of course constantly shifting that makes it hard. It's not a 50 50 thing, but like it's an idea of, um, anything you want to figure out. What's the sweet spot. It's not about taking a dogmatic stance about, you know, when you're raised kids, you always have to be about structure and discipline or rules or no, when you raise kids, you should throw out the window disciplinary rules and be more spontaneous and free flowing.
[00:26:46] I mean, if you take either one of those positions, you are going to be right once in a while and you're going to be wrong a lot. What is the correct? One is like, well, first it changes every day. So there is no coincidence that incorrect, but the correct one is the right balance. According to that specific section, And so figuring out in these union of opposite energy, which one is the delicate balance that works great to deliver results in this situation.
[00:27:18] And they may have changed tomorrow. So you need to rediscover it by retweaking into later.
[00:27:22] Host: That's the part that kinda, that's the part that catches me. That's very fascinating. This idea of the retweak. That's idea of the, um, constantly kind of, uh, readjusting. Um, it's something that's like fascinating because I used to have this idea that you have everything in balancing.
[00:27:40] Once you get it in balance, you're good. It's like you're working towards a single point, but you know, just as kind of this idea of impermanence, everything's constantly shifting and changing and every moment's different. So this tweaking also needs to do the same, um, because otherwise you and I feel like sometimes so K to be a little bit more on one side than the other, you know, just got to bring it back sooner or later, you know,
[00:28:05] Guest: 901 sometime.
[00:28:07] And he's not off balance because that situation calls for it. Ah,
[00:28:11] Host: that's interesting. That's fascinating. Okay. Yeah.
[00:28:14] Guest: And he may be 70, 30 the other way. And the next one is 50 50 and the next one think of it to me, it's like, think of it as, so. Right. Nobody teach over the serve saying you're going to have to be perfectly in the middle of the board and you stayed away for while the wave.
[00:28:30] And when the wave ans you're going to adapt constantly, right? In some cases, the wave is pulling so much, one way that unless you throw your body way to one side seemingly off balance, if you wearing, but the way by are balancing the energy of the wave, pulling so much good laugh that you need to lean, right.
[00:28:49] In order to
[00:28:50] Host: stay on probably how the intuition probably comes into that part and, and moving into it's actually like, you know, once you get that click or that little moment of harmony, you need, I think, moving into, it's another thing going to the top of the surfboards. Another thing it's not just knowing that you need to yeah.
[00:29:10] Guest: Or science. Right. And so I think that's where it's a, it's a skill, it's an art because it's constantly shifting. So yeah, you got balanced. Great. In two seconds, the balance is going to have to be different because the waves is going to move in a different way. You're going to have to adapt to that movement and then figure out what's the new balance.
[00:29:30] And, uh, and I think that's the Gator, right? He's like balances from, uh, 99 and 1, 2, 1 side 99, and one to the other and everything in between. And what's the right, the correct proportion, whichever one, the situation calls for that keeps you stable and working. Okay. And of course that's a hard one for people who crave certainty, because it's telling you, sorry to inform you, but you need to figure it out every moment.
[00:29:59] There is no dogmatic you can fall back on. There is no simple answer that works in all contexts and don't situation. It's going to be different every time. It seems
[00:30:11] Host: like we kind of get used to. It's, I'm not sure about craving certainty, but there's almost like we get used to it. That's where there may be a craving might arise from, and, and there's like this automatic process.
[00:30:24] It's like, it's almost, this is how it seems to me, like we're built this way in a sense we're built to get used to things or, or, you know, I'm not sure if it's, as far as, you know, how deep that goes, but there's a sense that, um, you know, we don't even, like, I can't even feel like my ass sitting on this chair right now, because I'm just used to the, that that that's going on.
[00:30:45] So it's like all through our system and it's almost like, um, it's, it doesn't seem, it seems like a difficult thing to kind of move out of just in the same way that making the decision from the heart is, you know, it there's like this, uh, push that needs to take place. I think I feel at some point or another to break out of that, that kind of automation.
[00:31:11] Guest: Right. Yeah. It's um, that's, that's what I mean is like, it's something that's, um, I think it's frustrating to people who crave sort of an oversimplification of reality, because it's not something that you can catch once and for all. And once you caught it, you are, there is like, congratulations, you are now.
[00:31:35] And five minutes from now, you're going to have to figure it out again. And, uh, so you're really is like a, it's more of an art than science in that sense, because there is no follow these 12 easy steps and you will get there. It's like, yeah, that's the, that's the version for kids who can hang so to speak, you know, where somebody who doesn't have it.
[00:31:58] Yeah. You give them some basic rules who to avoid. You Mongo's mistakes, but at the end of the day, the rules are now when I got very good to balance, the rules can just prevent you from being horrendously off balance and only being mildly of balance, but to actually get it, that's entirely beyond what can be broken down.
[00:32:20] So simply
[00:32:22] Host: I find the balance showing up in my life around action, and I see, I see it within others in different ways. I've noticed there's like either this comes, comes up quite a bit. There's either this like a lot of full-on energy moving into, you could even call it like a yang and the sense of like, um, a burnout happening or, um, Going really deep in one direction.
[00:32:50] Uh, maybe a little bit unconsciously. I'll not to say that's a bad thing, but just like, um, that, that kind of arises in that, in that circumstance. And then on the other side is kind of more kind of the way I serve is kind of like the way that fits best with my life is this sense of, uh, you know, creativity and intuition and feeling into things and things unfolding, but the push isn't there as much.
[00:33:19] And it's like, um, bringing in a sense of discipline or at least meaningful work in that scenario, I think can help. Whereas in the other one, maybe inaction or just slowing down a bit to reflect a little bit more and, and, and just kind of, um, being that, being more in that kind of allowing state, um, it's interesting how that comes, shows up through work.
[00:33:40] Do you have any experiences that within your own
[00:33:42] Guest: life.
[00:33:47] Host: Well, I'm sure it shows, it shows it's shown up a lot in your own life, but do you find that you've been more one way than the other? And, and obviously, you know, like we said, this is a continuous thing, but has it, has it kind of, you know, has there been moments where, or where you've really felt like, um, you know, this is a strange thing to put into words, but, um, just the way in which you were brought up or the way in which you've lived your life up until that point has been more one way than the other.
[00:34:16] Guest: I think there are, there are a few seeings that, um, dependent, you know, we all have a certain temperament, like temperament that leads more one way or another, right? So maybe there are seeing seen life that you do to balance it out. Maybe you are really kind of nervy, really sensitive, very in your own head of very imaginative.
[00:34:41] But also, you may be not exactly the most assertive, a little more divorced from physical reality and so on. So it may actually be a good thing. If that's your buildup to do some of the opposite, learn a scenes that help you develop more assertiveness, being grounded in physical reality, being more physically being all that right, without going against your nature.
[00:35:06] But just to kind of allow you to do not make your nature a cage, but make it something that, so I think we all do it, right. We all have a little things that we lean heavily one way or another by just, uh, both circumstances and our own personality. But sometime just doing the more of the same is not that helpful.
[00:35:29] You know, if you are already leaning that way, suddenly all your interests, all Europe is all you're seeing also go that way. Well, you are becoming more of what you already are, which there something. But you're not really giving yourself a chance to develop in a somewhat more balanced way. So you have, you know, the nerdy kid, who's an absolute genius when they sit down with the books, but doesn't know how to have a conversation with other kids their age, and he's completely lost in more regular day to day interactions.
[00:36:02] You know, there's a talent there, but he's a talent that concept that prize of some heavy balance in terms of day-to-day life. So I think it's like, there's something there to be said about figuring out what you are, what are some of your characteristics? What can you do to tweak them a little bit in a way that may allow you to thrive in more contexts than just.
[00:36:26] Host: Yeah, that's something I've been kind of exploring recently. It's this idea of like little bit, like, I see it as like leaning into your strengths and then there's like an acceleration that takes place. But if you, if you try to work on your weaknesses, you get a bit more in balance, but it's, it's a slower process and it's not, you know?
[00:36:45] Yeah.
[00:36:46] Guest: And ultimately you've got to do both, right? Because you got to do the things that are part of your nature and then make you feel good and they come easy and you have a natural talent for, and there's its own set of rewards that come with it. And you should do some of the other side of the staff.
[00:37:02] That's not as easy, but it ultimately is making you grow as a human being. How much of each you figure it out. And the different times of your life will be different. Sometimes you just need an ego boost. So you do the stuff you're good at and it feels good. And other times it's like, okay, I feel like I'm in a stable place.
[00:37:21] It's a place for growth. I want to expand. And I think that's part of, uh, there is no good or bad answer, Larry, what's working for you at
[00:37:32] Host: the moment. I think it's worth considering, like we said earlier, though, the way in which we go about that process. So it's like, you know, with, with a sense of kindness to yourself where you're going to beat yourself up every time you go out of balance or, you know, um, are you going to go about it in a way that's super structured because that's the way you work or are you going to go more intuitively?
[00:37:53] Guest: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
[00:37:57] Host: Okay. So I'm just kind of trying to feel into where the best place to kind of move into would be from, from here. Um, yeah, I just, this is, this is an interesting thing. I'm, I'm kind of more curious about, about you Danny Ellie, and kind of a bit more about, about your life and how these, some, some of these lessons have influenced you.
[00:38:18] I know you mentioned, uh, in. What kind of rating Thomas Rowe, Tom Robbins work that you've found a depth in, you know, that depth and happiness can play together in one's life. And that's had some kind of an impact on you. I was curious to know in what way, but also just, yeah, if you want it to share a bit more about yourself and maybe how, you know, how these kinds of philosophies in how these kind of moving in and out of history books and, um, you know, your relationship with some of these lessons has turned out.
[00:38:50] I know it's kind of an open-ended question, but I just want to see what comes up for you,
[00:38:55] Guest: I guess, on the thumb that I'll be inside. And it's very, it's almost a stereotype. The whole thing about the tortured artist, you know, somebody was very sensitive, which usually translate into artistic abilities because you can tap into things that normal people can not.
[00:39:12] And whether you put them into music or painting or writing, or it's almost secondary, right. But it's like that ability to tap into a certain sensitive. That usually comes at a price, hence, a rockstar should die by the time they are 30 hands, you know, old 10,000 stories of people who create beautiful ceilings and are suffering a whole lot.
[00:39:33] Right. And I think there's a truth to that because of course, if you have an extraordinary sensitivity, may not be easy to fit into an ordinary reality, but also it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and the trap because essentially the message they were giving is if you are sensitive, you are always bound to feel at odds with a regular people, quote unquote, with regular reality, we all have that.
[00:40:00] You're all the shine in this special dimension out there. And I think it's important instead learn how to harness sensitivity in a way that it's actually a gift and not of a course and not just a gift artistically, but a gift in your day-to-day life. A gift because it allows you to relate to people better.
[00:40:21] It allows you to understand different modes of being. It allows you not because you feel so different that you don't know how, if anything, but a sizeably because you have a baby develop sensitivity. That means you can, you can tweak yourself to fit in any context. So right there, then being the artsy smart, sensitive key, who cannot feed with the jocks.
[00:40:45] You have these ability because you are sensitive. You can understand every level of the game. You can understand. So you can speak this language and you can also speak this. But for people who are stuck with one language only with just one particular energy, you can go there and communicate there. But then because you are sensitive and you have learned other beings, ways of being, you can also communicate on another level and another and another.
[00:41:09] So if anything, sensitivity becomes something that makes you more comfortable. In dealing with daily life, rather than something that mess you up. Now, that's easier said than done because when you first, you know, for many people, sensitivity is not a choice, it's that they are, it's kind of how they were born.
[00:41:29] It's how they had. So you find yourself that you communicate with other people like, Hey, did you understand me when I feel these things right? And they're like, uh, no. And you're like, why am I so weird? Why am I feeling different from everybody else? Why are my highest allies or my low solos? Why? In other words, like what the hell is wrong with you?
[00:41:50] They are so different from other people, right? That's kind of the initial stage, but I think he's with proper guidance and with proper exploration, there is a very good chance to actually use this sensitivity, to become a tool that allow you to. Okay. If I can feel more, that means I can understand more.
[00:42:09] Let's think I can relate to more seeings. That means that eventually I learn how to shift the clothing so that I can put these clothes, this clothing gone to go hang out with the people will only have this type of style, but also I can go to a different place and they become sexualized. So right now your stock widget,
[00:42:30] Host: do you think there's like a residue that comes from the clothing though?
[00:42:33] Um,
[00:42:34] Guest: I mean, if it's part of you, right? Cause otherwise you couldn't play that game. If you can communicate in that language, if you can be at that level, of course, it's part of who you are, but it's horrible for you are, you know what I mean? You can also leave it there and there's so much more to you that you can shift that on all these labs.
[00:42:56] Host: Do you have, uh, I'm just curious. Are there any processes, any other processes that you might go through to explore the different parts of yourself? Um,
[00:43:06] Guest: yeah. I mean, I think there are, like, for me doing something like martial arts was a very interesting venue because it's not the stuff that I'm naturally drawn as a fascination, but it's not a, you know, in martial arts, nobody cares if you are smart or not, nobody cares so many books you read or what it's like, can you perform in these purely very physical at lady context when it matters?
[00:43:33] That's it not over the other stuff counts? No, by way I'm smart. It's like, who cares? That's not what it's about. Can you step up or not? And so if you are able to do that and then you are smart. Well now you've got two, six going right. Before the only other one or the people who can only step up and perform on a physical level that they have one, but like, okay, now you've got two languages.
[00:43:59] Now you may be able to develop another one. And then that. And so that to me is like, really, those are energies. Those are languages that life speaks. And the more, you know, the more you are able to relate to very different people to experience very different scenes. And I find that extremely outro, like if you are an intellectual and you only speak to intellectuals, I think you've got a problem.
[00:44:25] If you are a, uh, fire marker and all you do is speak to other far more workers is a problem. If you are, you know, anything, if it becomes kind of its own little ghetto becomes very limited, you know, he's like to me, you should be able to, you're gonna tweak your communication style, but ultimately you should be able to talk about anything with that.
[00:44:49] Because it's just what we are talking about his life, you know, it's 17 that it's about passion. It's about the energy's about life. And so that should be something that is not just life for, for martial artists or life for intellectuals or life for athletes or life force callers, or like those are just venues to touch different aspects of life.
[00:45:12] But the interesting thing is there is not the venue it's life.
[00:45:16] Host: Yeah. It seems like, uh, what you're doing in that process is you're at, you're kind of melting away these kind of, um, this solution of separation. You're coming back into a sense of commonality with this shared kind of existence. And it's very interesting as well.
[00:45:32] This idea of, I love it as well. This, this thought of just, you know, tasting all the colors of the spectrum in your life. And, and, and being open to do that and having that as like, you know, finding the beauty in every, every different shade of that spectrum.
[00:45:51] Guest: And I think that's a light shines brighter when you can reach it.
[00:45:57] We can be, I that's kind of, I like the, both Carly and where they have many arms. Right. And these, like, to me, this idea of having many arms is because you can touch many, many aspects of life. And, uh, and I like it though, a lot better than what you typically see, where maybe you meet somebody for that one thing, you know, maybe they are into yoga and you're like, oh, y'all guys cool.
[00:46:20] That's great. And we have that in common. And then you start looking up, their staff and everything in their life is centered around yoga. And you're like, Jesus, man, y'all guys. Cool. God damn. There's a few other seeks out there that are funding. Why stick to that one thing, one thing, goal, and you're wrapped up your whole existence around that one thing.
[00:46:44] And you know, this is something you like, but you're like there's more to life that's. Yeah.
[00:46:50] Host: Yeah. I've, I've just, it's interesting. So I've noticed the opposite side of the spectrum as well, and the sense of like, maybe not being able to commit to anything for a long period of time and just kind of trying everything, but almost feeling I've met people that have had like an internal, um, you know, people that I've actually, um, kind of worked with through this as well.
[00:47:11] This, this internal idea of. You know, I've just tried all these different things and I can't stick to one and I can't, I can't really find my thing, this idea of, you know, that's a conceptual thing though, but this idea of like, I can't find the one thing that I want. Uh, but there is the opposite side of the spectrum where you just kind of actually stay in something because you fight around so much, you know?
[00:47:33] Um, but yeah, it is interesting when your life becomes centered around one thing, and it's almost like that's how you, how you find your sense of identity and you kind of anchor in that space. Um, but it's a lot more fun to, to explore and, um, yeah, find that balance within that kind of, yeah,
[00:47:53] Guest: just do 10,000 seats.
[00:47:56] You don't have the time, the energy, you know, seeing to get good at anything. It takes time and energy, not so, but at the same time, why should it be a one year old do make it 30 things they are really into. And may keep five or six more that you are conversationally, that you are good at that you are not great, but you are okay.
[00:48:21] You know, you, you, you manage, you've got the basics down. You are, you are, you know, it's like, to me, that's an exact balance is varies from person to person, but one it's monomaniacal and over specialized 10,000, these dispersive, and you don't go deep into anything. There's a sweet spot there somewhere where probably 2, 3, 4, 5, whatever activities that you can handle at a high level where you have a high, you allowed yourself to become good at and explore to a certain level of that.
[00:48:55] Then you have a few more lesser level of that. But I do feel that, I mean, yeah, you're right. Both. That's kind of the younger right there, right. Both are important is important to touch multiple things. And he's also important to go deep enough into some stuff. There's a tension there where again, if you go completely one way or completely another, you're missing the point, uh, and you find that balance that works the one that's like, no, I can still be actually really dedicated and good.
[00:49:29] And I've gone deep into three things, banned IO, which is a lot better than one. And I have five more that, um, that I tweet I can play with. If I had the time, I could actually go really deep, but I have a certain degree of that initial star to the field school who it does it.
[00:49:47] Host: Yeah. Yeah. What would you say to someone that couldn't find anything?
[00:49:52] Guest: Well, I mean, that's the thing don't look for one. Start by looking for, it's
[00:49:58] Host: not even a looking very, like, there doesn't even need to be a looking it's like an X it's an open, continuous exploration. I think
[00:50:06] Guest: the thing is if you have all the time in the world and you have the money is not a fact, or how do you want to feel your days?
[00:50:14] You know, what would make you happy? What are things that may, and I'm sure some things make you happier than others. So what are the things they, do you see any pattern in the scenes that make you happier? Is there something that delivers you being in a certain state more than, than other things, or, I mean, I kind of have a hard time picturing somebody for whom everything is the same.
[00:50:39] You know what I mean is like, uh, in martial arts or I'll go into a song or I'll go rock climbing or I'll go hiking or I'll go to the beach or I just want to pool or time to my garden. And they all feel exactly the same. Neither grades, neither parable kind of blah.
[00:50:59] I would imagine that there are differences there.
[00:51:01] Host: Right. That's interesting. Yeah. How do they feel? What, how do they feel and how intense does that, that feeling feeling and how do you kind of, you know, see what we're talking about now is, is kind of it's even what you were saying before. Um, energy, you know, right now this is just like a transmission of energy and the words that just kind of the bridge, and it's a sense of, this is kind of a different type of energy as well.
[00:51:26] Where does the energy, how does that energy feel? Like where does it sit and, and what, what, how does it contrast with other energies in your life in different areas? I'd like to think of it as like vibes. It's just kind of like the way my brain kind of thinks of it. Um, you know, what is the vibe of this moment, even what you were saying about when you walk in the room and you, okay.
[00:51:47] What's the vibe of this per person that, that my body's reading into before they even open their mouth. And does that vibe kind of resonate or harmonize with mine or is that, is that vibe, you know, obviously just going to make noise instead of music.
[00:52:04] Guest: Exactly.
[00:52:05] Host: Yeah. What do you think about vibrations and, and what comes to mind when I say that word?
[00:52:13] Is that like, um, you know, the silliness of the new, new age perspective of it, or is it like, um, you know, how everything's vibration or like, does anything come to mind? Cause I've just been asking all my guests. So I want to be put, I want to put together a book on the, on the different perspectives in, on vibes.
[00:52:34] Guest: Um, and we, whether metaphorically or literally vibrates and there's something there that you can pick up again, outside of the rational mind that he's your God's studies, your intuition, that he's your something, um, that you perceive in multiple ways. And I think sometime exactly wards are really an excuse.
[00:53:01] To be able to sit there and pass that energy. You know, there are people that I would gladly listen to what they are to say. If they read the phone book, I will gladly listen to it because I don't care about that call. And the content is completely secondary. The fact that they may be brilliant or smart or tights, it's an ad that Banos is the cherry on the cake kind of thing is not eat.
[00:53:23] The eat thing is their energy. He's like, he makes me feel good to be around them kind of thing. And, uh, and you express it in a 10,000 different ways. You express it through words, express it through smiles, you express it to touch. You express it through nothing, appearance, just seating close to them. Um, there's and to me, that's not any real than the stable or something.
[00:53:53] Very extremely tangible. It's like eats, like I'll walk into a room with somebody. That I like, they haven't said one word and I'm thinking, whoa, what the hell is up today? What happened? Why are you in such a bad mode? Their face looks normal. There's nothing to eat, but Jesus Christ, you walk into design energy that you're like, whoa, this doesn't feel right.
[00:54:20] And sometimes in many cases they're like, no, there's nothing wrong. And they're like, okay. And then you go on and like two hours later, it's like, oh, there's this thing that has been pissing me off. Or like, okay. So now we got to the point, you know, but like the, I don't know what the thing is, but I can feel that there something, you know what I mean?
[00:54:41] And to me, it's like, it's always there. It's always around you. It's always, uh, and I think that's actually kind of a fun game to be able to sometime when try to read where somebody else is at. What they are feeling, what they are experiencing that moment. What does looking at their face? What do you read in that phase?
[00:55:02] Do you read this? Somebody who's excited. If somebody was thinking about something else is somebody who's kind of like, uh, their energy is drained because they are tired. Is this, what do you read besides the obvious, you know, somebody staring at you like, okay, they are mad. I got it. That's pretty easy. Or it's somebody, but like, if it's a little more shuttle, what do you read when it's just not screaming the message in your face?
[00:55:26] And I think, uh, I think we all feel it, but we are largely taught to ignore it and not to take it into proper accounts because it's not perfectly rational, but it's like, okay, if he's rational or not, you know, it's just as real, you know, you, that first son asks you for straight direction and you give them straight direction.
[00:55:49] Cause it's like perfectly, there's no issues. That other person asked you for study direction and you are thinking they are gonna Rob him in about six seconds. And it's the same warps are safe. There's nothing wrong with asking for six direction, but like the, there something that you pick up from that interaction and that intuition can make a humongous difference in your life.
[00:56:14] I mean, think about how many people will run into somebody. And they're like, oh, we're just stoking. And suddenly they flip and they became desirable mean person. Like, no, they weren't desirable being parceled all along. You just weren't able to see it. And I'm not saying he's easy, you know, sometime you can't sometime because maybe you are balanced.
[00:56:33] Maybe they mask it. Well, maybe you who the hell knows, you know, you're not going to read it every single time. But the point is those things that around us all the time, developing that skill to pick up on. Ken out that I'm at tickling every nanny loser that you're going to get you're right. A hundred percent of the time, not a luck with that, but at this time doesn't mean that he's a completely coincidental leader.
[00:56:58] It's a skill like anything else?
[00:57:00] Host: Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. I just, it's funny that every time you mentioned examples, I always go to the direct opposite. I was thinking, cause maybe cause we're on the topic of ying and yang and everything and it's just happening naturally. But I was thinking of like the glow of a pregnant mother or something or like, um, you know, when someone walks in the room and they're almost like, you know, floating off the ground and that feeling it's yeah.
[00:57:26] It's quite an interesting thing. And I've just kind of, it's interesting about the contagiousness of that energy, how, how much that, um, affects you and how much your energy kind of radiates out and, and kind of goes into the beings of other people around you and the repercussions of that as well. I mean, there
[00:57:46] Guest: are, I was at 80 and was 17 in a few places where they would give each students and evaluation of their teachers within the first five minutes of the semester.
[00:58:00] And at the end of the semester, and most of the time they were identical, like wherever you like within five minutes or the people that you wrote glowingly about after a whole semester of knowing them and whoever you didn't click with right away, you hated the regards by the end of this semester. And so that tells you right there, that content has little to do with it is not the first five minutes that you really understand what somebody is about on a rational level, ease.
[00:58:29] Like you pick the up, maybe a passion and enthusiasm and energy as something that this other person is severely lacking, or they bring a completely different thing to the table and you respond to it like. I've had plane. Do you have situation where I feel that I can, like the times when it has worked out well, for me, I've like, I've taught courses where we Dean, uh, I Joaquin and there is a question mark and 30 minutes later before I started lecture, I feel like the whole language of the room has changed.
[00:59:04] And now like 80% of the students are already on board and we are good to go. And it's like, not because I say that anything brilliant. You know what I mean is like, I just tried to communicate in some way, a certain passion and enthusiasm for being there and putting an energy that's very welcoming to them.
[00:59:25] Um, and people usually respond to it and the word. Just
[00:59:31] Host: keep thinking about this, this passage into, okay, you feel this way around someone or you feel this way in this situation and then the movement. Cause it, and just, almost like the, the cleaning up of that passageway, they're making that kind of a habit in a sense.
[00:59:47] Um, because I felt like many situations where like I've been overseas and something shady is happening and like, I can stay in that situation because I'm too scared to move or I'm too thinking about it too much or too hesitant, or I could just move and, um, you know, kind of extract myself from that situation or that person that didn't feel quite right.
[01:00:11] And, um, you know, that happens in life as well. Like, um, this idea of, uh, how you kind of become the people that you surround yourself with, or you, you know, that gets. You know, those students, the more they hang around you, the more they would like obviously tune into that vibe. And that would have an effect on the trajectory of their lives in some small way.
[01:00:35] So it's this sense of like moving, um, or cleaning the passage for movement and maybe in small ways practicing that. I like,
[01:00:44] Guest: yeah, that's a, that's a good goal for all of life, right? Yeah. Yeah.
[01:00:51] Host: What do you mean by that?
[01:00:53] Guest: Uh, to bring that into like all of these things at the end of the day, like, and this applies to these specifically and on a grander level too, like every single thing we talk about, if it doesn't improve the quality of our lives, why are we talking about it kind of thing.
[01:01:12] So to me it's like, even something like this, it's like, who cares? She's not to be able to flex your mask. So similar. Oh is because I can, uh, read somebody's sign energy or I can do these. And that it's like, who care she's like does at the end of the day improve the quality of your life? Yes or no is a yes, because I can see back through, I can click wait then why should stay with the right?
[01:01:35] Good or no, because like, to me, any skill, any ability, any talent, any, anything is all interesting in the measure that it changes day to day life in a positive manner. Otherwise, is it so weird masturbatory game that kind of is like, okay. I mean, sure. I guess no, it's not. Uh, um, so I, it same goes with ideas.
[01:02:02] I'm all interested in ideas if they can, uh, improve life otherwise, who cares? Why are we talking about
[01:02:10] Host: it? You know, exactly. Yeah, I think it's kind of useful to, to bring things up that we've noticed, you know, within our own lives and these patterns that have helped improve ours, because I think maybe people can take them on board, but I also believe there is a level of almost like, we'll see what works for you in your own way and, and see what, how that exploration feels like instead of like writing down everything we're speaking about, but there is a sense of like sharing these things with one another and then, you know, maybe someone coming across it at a certain moment in their life that it might become useful.
[01:02:45] Cause I know that that that's happened to me, both within lessons I've come across in lessons. Maybe I've heard somewhere who knows where, and then in the moment it just, they feel right to kind of move into. Yeah,
[01:02:57] Guest: yeah,
[01:02:59] Host: yeah. So I, um, I had. I was kind of thinking about this chat last night, as I mentioned, and I had this, um, this Zen words of wisdom book on my shelf that just kind of drew my attention.
[01:03:12] So I opened it up on a random page and I wanted to read you what it said, because it feels like it's actually quite relevant. And I felt like it might've been, um, so it's a Chinese and Boris poet named Pang yarn. Have you heard of pain unit, all Nero VI? Um, so seven 40 to 8 0 8 is what it says there. When the mind is at peace, the world two is at peace, nothing real, nothing absent, not holding onto reality, not getting stuck in the void.
[01:03:47] You will neither. Holy nor wise, just an ordinary fellow who has completed his work.
[01:03:57] Hmm. I felt that was kind of an interesting thing. Neither Holly, nor wise, just an ordinary fellow who has completed his work felt like there's quite a bit there to chew on for me anyways.
[01:04:13] Guest: What does it say?
[01:04:17] Host: So when the mind is at peace, the world too is at peace. There's this sense that what's happening internally is kind of, uh, reflected on your external world. So this, you know, if you're good, um, and you're at peace, then everything is at peace. In a sense. I felt that in certain moments of my life where everything just feels like it's maybe directly in the middle of the ying and the yang in some way, but, you know, um,
[01:04:48] Guest: yeah.
[01:04:50] Host: Are you feeling
[01:04:52] Guest: like that? Sometimes they speak to you right away on a dime. They speak to you after some time, even years, they just never speak to you. Like here is like, I can send sort of the Zen, the opposites, paradoxical nature of the language of, you know, it's checking all the boxes, but like on first read something is not clicking for me.
[01:05:17] Like I'm not getting a full read on it or some of the things that sometimes they click
[01:05:24] Host: sometimes it's just so beautiful. And even though they don't click, you sit with it because of the beauty, in a sense.
[01:05:31] Guest: Yeah. Yeah.
[01:05:34] Host: So nothing real, nothing absent, not holding onto reality, not getting stuck in the void.
[01:05:41] That's interesting. Not, not holding onto reality and not getting stuck in the. So that's almost like a ying and yang thing as well. To me,
[01:05:49] Guest: it is, I just don't fully grasp it. There's clearly a unique dimension to it, but I'm not quite like, not all the non to reality, not getting stuck in the void. I'm not quite sure.
[01:06:06] Host: Yeah. Not holding onto reality is a tricky one. Yeah. And not getting stuck in the void. I think, I don't know what comes to mind might not be what he meant at all, but it's your sense of, you know, this sense of being stuck in a, uh, almost like a, um, in a, like an ecstatic state rather than a grounded one and the, maybe the balance between those two, maybe.
[01:06:37] Yeah. And you were, you were neither holy nor wise, just an ordinary fellow who has completed his work. Is that something to do with the ego? I mean,
[01:06:49] Guest: the, it could be, it could be many things, right? It could be just talking about the, um, sort of the direction of like, even this concept of a Y a whole nation, the fuck you are who you are, you know, you are, those are like separation from just being a complete human beings.
[01:07:12] That's more could be, that is, that's what it's touching on that
[01:07:18] Host: identifying as Holly.
[01:07:20] Guest: Yeah. Those are abstractions. They are not, uh, what's reality is you between sky and dirt is you win. And in that sense, the other staff being a bit of an abstraction. So it could be, it could be the that's where it's going entirely clear, but it's supposed to be.
[01:07:39] Yeah.
[01:07:40] Host: Yeah. Just thought I'd share that with you. I don't know. I kind of felt right. Yeah,
[01:07:44] Guest: yeah. Yeah. I mean, sometime, and again, some of this stuff leaks, some dawns and click later that's happens a lot with now is the same thing because they don't explain stuff is not based on like they are going to break it down and neat explanation.
[01:07:59] So a lot of eighties, clique doesn't clique, you feel it, you know, that kind of stuff. And again, you can come and go, you know, a lot of this
[01:08:11] Host: cool. Well, I'm just kind of conscious of time here. Danieli and I don't want to kind of, um, abuse or take up too much of yours
[01:08:19] Guest: because I'm actually gonna have to run to pick up my daughter.
[01:08:21] So,
[01:08:22] Host: yeah. Yeah. That's totally fine. Well, in that case, maybe we should wrap things up here. Um, and just before we do, are you able to share a little bit about your work too? So I could kind of spread it out there. I know you've got the drunkest out, the drunken Taoist and the, um, the history on fire podcasts.
[01:08:39] The one I mentioned earlier,
[01:08:41] Guest: yeah. Product costing wise. I have two podcasts, one that's more chatty interviews, different
[01:08:47] Host: one for like 10 years
[01:08:50] Guest: has been going on since like 2012. So it's been a while. Yeah. And then, uh, who started on fire? I started, I think was 2015. That one is very different. I won it's more dramatic.
[01:09:01] It's like, I just do a deep dive through history is just a one person podcast is me essentially narrating a story. Well, hopefully in an entertaining enough way, but it's just doing a deep historical dive into different topics. And each episode, the rest, each sea areas, we'll follow a topic from beginning to end and then I'll hop into a different one.
[01:09:21] So that's, um, those are the two podcasts that I host. And then, um, yeah, I've written a few books. I teach college, that kind of stuff.
[01:09:31] Host: What are the books are? What are they on just quickly? So
[01:09:34] Guest: I did the first one I did was called the Warrior's path and that's a philosophy and martial arts. Um, then I did a cop all about religion, the main one being created or religion, which is kind of like an approach of, uh, um, out of all the answers that exist out there.
[01:09:54] Sort of a process of picking out the ones that worked for you, but that doesn't mean you have to buy the whole traditional from a to Z with all the baggage and the crap that goes with it. And essentially coming up with your own answers, to the great questions of life that we all deal with. Uh, and then I did one, uh, the latest one was a more, I mean, it's not exactly how it is and it isn't out of biographical in the sense that it's not like a, Hey, this is my life I was born in is more Instamatic.
[01:10:23] It starts it's about dealing with fear a lot, but in a, rather than in abstract terms is very much related to specifics of my life, both through martial arts, then dealing with a lot of like heavy stuff happening, tragedies and so on. And, uh, and now some of the ceilings are, I played. I hesitate to say is like how I was able to transcend because I was able and that wasn't, you know, I did some stuff.
[01:10:51] Great. I did some stuff now. Right. And it's sort of, it's kind of a lukewarm, uh, it really deals with some of this theme of, uh, of leave my own experience in dealing with, uh, extremely heavy things. What a
[01:11:07] Host: healthy process to write that into a book.
[01:11:10] Guest: Yeah. I mean, I guess it sounds to you, I'm not sure. Cause sometimes, you know, you're, you put some stuff a little out of your mind that you dive deep again and it kind of reopens a lot of stuff.
[01:11:20] So you're like, oh, that hard. I think that's healthy to
[01:11:24] Host: do that though.
[01:11:25] Guest: Yeah. Maybe I say it's a hard one because on one end. Yeah. It's very likely that it is on the other end. Sometimes some doors are closed for a reason. So it's a it's even that is a wisdom to know when it's good to open that because you think they are closed, but they are really, they are working on the side on you all the time and you actually should shine some light.
[01:11:46] And when instead, he's like, no, you moved on now. You're just torturing yourself. You know? And I think both are real it's kind of thing. It's a case by case is different. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:11:58] Host: Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing today and thanks for, thanks for having a chat with me. I do appreciate it. And, um, thanks for the chat last night as well.
[01:12:04] It was really good.
[01:12:09] Guest: You too.
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